Sunday, July 20, 2008

PUMA/No Deal-Goals and Organization

Ever since Hillary gave her suspension speech I have noticed an outcry by die hard Hillary supporters through out our community for better organization and mission statement from what has become our leaders of representation... aka the PUMA/No Deal coalition... that seems at least on the surface to have gone ignored by those powers that be who again seem at least on the surface to have taken a more "neutral" and "settle for second best and save face" stance.

Its my humble opimion, and I dont think Im the only one who feels this way, but its not enough to take the passive route playing it safe and saying that were a coalition of millions who have many different objectives, but one common "anti" objective... NOBAMA!

Might as well say were millions of chickens with our heads cut off scattered all about and thus not to put too much stock in because even though there are strength in numbers, we, for all our millions and all our organization cant seem to come together in a show of our real strength and power by taking an absolute stand for what is right.

We need more "pro" objectives... Things we DO support like fair and unbiased media coverage in elections, democracy being upheld in our elections, positive character and proper qualifications in our politicians ect.

Here is something interesting...

In a forum post I asked the question...

How many people are still for Hillary for president in '08??

If not then why???? If so, then what do you think could be done to assure that happens and what do you see as not being done that should or could be done???
Here are some excerpts and postings from the replies.

WolfmanJack: I prefer Hillary, but I can live with McCain. No way in hell will I ever vote for Obama.

Then there are those that are still holding out for Hillary. Those are the optimists. I hope they are right. I really do. God, I hope they are right. But if not, I can live with McCain.

NWinGA: I will support Hillary ONLY if she is the TOP of the ticket. I love her, but she should NEVER play second fiddle to [obama]

but we should all realize that obama is trying to CEMENT his Presumptive nomination by taking all these in-your-face trips , trying to make it harder for the DNC/superdelegates to reject him. And some will just follow-the-crowd to keep the peace. The DNC has screwed themselves very well this year, I hope they are feeling the satisfaction they deserve!


preboomer: I am absolutely still hopeful that we can nominate and elect Sen. Clinton.

Enough super d's have to come to their senses to do the right thing. Any of them that fell for the Howard Dean and DNC ploy violated their duty, responsibility and our trust, regardless of which candidate got their public endorsement. They exist to correct situations just like we have now. They are there to rescue the party when it becomes obvious that caucasas and primaries were skewed, and not a true reflection of the will of the populace. They are there because they, as party leaders, are supposedly more knowledgable about who is our most qualified and electable candidate. How do we do this?

1) The PUMA movement needs to find a way to get all the democrats supporting the movement under one umbrella. The ole strength in numbers thing. Right now I see lots of web sites, blogs and comments that reflects this support. To a certain extent we are communicating within ourselves, telling each other daily how made we are.

Hopefully the PUMA Conference early next month will address this, but time is of the essence.

2) All the bloggers should point to the cental body that needs identified.

3) Blogs and commenters should give clear paths readers to communicate our complaints and solidarity to the DNC and Super D's.

4) All PUMAS must e-mail, write letters, send faxes and peacefully demonstrate to show our numbers and committment.

and my favorite:

DEEGEE: If we all became organized it would scare the heck out of them. In fact, it could be their worst nightmare. They don't want all the different groups actually communicating with each other and making plans. It would be harder to control and manipulate us.

Opinions such as these are not uncommon but this brings me to something else I would like to touch on because I know Im not the only one who realizes this...

Why is it so hard to grasp that although McCain is certainly better than Obama. In a McCain vs. Obama election, either way WE LOSE!

We the people, a record setting 18 million majority said we wanted Hillary... If we play the passives and settle for anything less then democracy is lost and we have just allowed ourselves to be slapped in the face.

When are we gonna truly come together and take a solid up front stand for truth, justice, and democracy???

While Im all for the efforts and commend the work everybody has done so far with No Deal and PUMA, whether or not they fully realize it, No Deal and PUMA have been charged with the position of acting as our leaders in this fight and they need to step up as leaders and take a stand to reflect what we stand for as a majority and why. Its ok to say that we dont want to force anybody to do anything, that we all have different goals and to repeat the claim that so long as were anti Obama were all good... but.... This just unwittingly dodges the responsibility as our leaders to at least make the wishes of the majority known to all in a clear and solid manor and educate the people as to why this is the viewpoint of the majority. In doing so, the people and members can make a more informed decision to either join the masses in united mass action or go in a different direction should they disagree and feel the need to.

12 comments:

Alessandro Machi said...

HI all, Please check out our Los Angeles Meet up for Hillary Clinton. We filled out a lot of Hillary Clinton Protest Postcards and sent the Postcards merrily on their way to super delegates and delegates alike.

http://www.PROTEST-POSTCARD.com
http://www.POSTCARD-BRIGADE.com

http://www.HILLARY-WINS.com

Bluesky said...

I'm a Hillary DieHard and just heard this breaking story:
"Alegre at Alegre’s Corner breaks the story":

…There are unconfirmed reports based on phone banking efforts to reach out to Super D’s that 8 previously Obama SD’s, expressed that, given the opportunity, they would vote for Hillary at the convention."

Did you get that?

"Superdelegates who have “declared” for Obama are now saying that they would vote for Hillary at the convention."
IS THIS TRUE?? I hope Hillary's name will be entered on the Roll
Call at the convention!! I'm excited, and I will vote for her again!!

Balanced In the Middle said...

JSND people and blogs ARE performing actions. We, JSND coalition cannot replicate an established political party in 3 months. What needs to be happening IS happening.

BeauGrumble said...
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BeauGrumble said...

Sorry again for the intrusive aspects of a test.

Trying to get my new account sorted out.

Thanks for all that you are doing re HRC, we her supporters, and the pernicious conduct of the Obama campaign, the DNC, and the media.

I hope to be of help.

Alice said...
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Alice said...

I agree with you, there does need to be more organization and leadership. The JSND / PUMA Coalition does great work, but we would achieve so much more if we were United with one mission statement, and worked together to get Hillary nominated.

shiv said...

I was hoping that we could

1) come together and take some action and make it very effective. this is the step in the right direction

2) put our numbers, heads, strategies and dollars to work, to stop obama from doing what an empty suit Bush did to this country. We dont need more empty suits with slogans to take over the reins of this country at a time when we need a solid leader to sort out our problems. in the worst case, I am ready to accept McCain as that leader, rather than Obama who has dogded every issue of significance to avoid defining himself.

3) Frankly I dont see how our superdelegates are going to come to any more sense now after rejecting every opportunity to do so during the primary. I do think it is a done deal that Obama would be our ignominee, barring some major problems like videos of him choking his "typical white" grandmother, with a pillow. Even then he might give yet another speech and get away with it. So lets focus our energies in keeping him away from the presidency at this very important time in our nations history.

4)we need a solid steering committee with specific clear cut agenda and strategies to achieve that agenda on election day.

5) we also need strategies to defeat key dems who enabled this man to trash the clintons presidency (only dems during whose tenure this country was greaat in the last 2 decades and who also did a lot for minorities) and call them and Hillarys voters racists.

6) we need solid strategies for PUMA GOTV, not just waste away our powers on the sidelines. IF Obama wins, there wont be any reform of the dem primaries and future dem candidates will get away with accusing fellow democrats and half the dem electorate of racism, low info and all things ugly.

7) for the long term good of this party and this country we must defeat this ugly minority wing of the dem party which thinks it can essentially ignore the large dem base and push a candidate through the undemocratic caucuses with activists hijacking these caucuses. this means we should put together effective campaign strategies of our own to make this happen between now and november. Just having umpteen websites and fundraising isnt enough. _We need smart and effective leaders and effective communicators/spokesman for this movement_ to achieve all of this

Garrett Atherton said...

Check out Bonnie Erbe's article on "Obama's Fundraising Hypocrisy"

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/7/21/barack-obamas-fundraising-hypocrisy--a-lobbyist-by-any-other-name.html

18MillionPlus1 said...

Thanks all for all your replies :)

A couple points of interest... First off, Im told that I sound like a cold machine online when I type to people like this despite my intended mood or message.. so I gotta ask that you please be aware of this and try to understand that if any of my replies seem cold or mean, odds are its just the net and text and not the way I intended for it to be. That said, here we go...

Most everybody its thumbs up, nods, "I agrees" ect ect. So to save face and not type that over and over again, well there I just said it LoL On the other hand...

hillaryhead: JSND people and blogs ARE performing actions. We, JSND coalition cannot replicate an established political party in 3 months. What needs to be happening IS happening.



Nobody said anything about no actions being taken hillaryhead. I agree that bloggers and nodeal as well as others ARE taking action. (Just not mass unified and completely organized action, but its getting there) Also, the point here was not to imply that no deal and puma should be a full mobilized-all kinks worked out-knock out-110% fully functioning party/organization after only 2 or 3 months of existence but rather to simply point out some suggestions for base since things are have started rolling and are still continuing to take shape. For example, being organized and mass united in action is key since the only way anyone is going to take real notice is if there is a unified action of many as a large organization, otherwise were just a bunch of bloggers-not to me or even to you im sure for that matter-but rather to our enemy and opposition. Im sure you can understand where we are coming from with this so ill shut up already LoL sorry for blabin so much.



shiv: #3



small chance of victory vs. certain defeat... seems like an easy choice to me. If your beliefs on the supers are proven correct in august, then if nothing else we can take heart in that at least we can say we never gave up and gave it our all in doing everything in our power to stand up for what if right. Better to fight for whats right and lose than just turn a blind eye to whats wrong I always say. :)
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Well I think that was everything for now, gotta go put the kids to bed. Thanks again everybody for your replies-keep em coming :)

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Miriam De La Vega said...

Sorry, my English is not good enough, and I don't understand. I want to know if Hillary still has any opportunity to come back to the campaign. Please let me know if I can do something to make this happen.